View Full Version : GAME THREAD - Ravens/Raiders
Sephy
10-26-2008, 11:50 AM
Welcome! Let's get a dub, and keep moving! GO RAVENS!!!!
Sephy
10-26-2008, 12:05 PM
Stover only kicks to the 7, but Higgins is wrapped up at the 21.
Lee Van Cleef
10-26-2008, 12:05 PM
No CMac today then?
Sephy
10-26-2008, 12:07 PM
1st, Fargas for 1 going left.
2nd and 9, Russel SACKED by Suggs at the 10!! He was being held and still got to him. He made Kwame Harris look just foolish.
3rd and very long, 22 yards, draw to Fargas for 6, 7 or so. Punt time.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 12:08 PM
C-Mac is inactive today. Reports are it was actually an injury today.
Leonhard returns it to the 49. Great return - had he avoided that last slip up, maybe gone.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 12:11 PM
1st, Gaither false starts. Great way to start it.
1st and 15, Willis runs right into a tackler, maybe 1.
2nd and 14, PA, screen and Flacco is majorly pressured, throws too high for McClain, but that wasn't going anywhere.
3rd, shotgun, deep and over the top for a covered D-Will - incomplete. Pass was thrown perfectly though.
Punt goes out at the 7.
Lets go boys!
Go throw Joe, but into double coverage....
Sephy
10-26-2008, 12:15 PM
1st, Fargas smacked by Sizzle in the backfield. Loss of 1.
2nd and 11, Fargas goes for about 4. Pryce was there.
3rd and 7, Russel SACKED BY MCCLAIN FOR THE SAFETY!!!!!
Fiesty Ravens Chic
10-26-2008, 12:16 PM
YAYYYY!! The #1 defense has showed up today!!
Fiesty Ravens Chic
10-26-2008, 12:19 PM
Troy smith in the GAME?? WTF is going on here? Welcome back Troy!
Sephy
10-26-2008, 12:20 PM
Ravens from the 31.
1st, Flacco rolls right, throws it away.
2nd, TO Raiders.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 12:20 PM
Raiders confused by the loss of inches at the QB position to be 7.
highwater
10-26-2008, 12:21 PM
Smith comes into the game and promptly calls a timeout. Nice. :grbac:
Sephy
10-26-2008, 12:22 PM
2nd, give to McClain for 5.
3rd and 5, complete to Heap for 6 and a first.
Fiesty Ravens Chic
10-26-2008, 12:22 PM
Troy and Joe on the feild WTF does Cam have up his sleeve?
So Smith's a running back when he comes in?
Sephy
10-26-2008, 12:25 PM
1st, Flacco lined wide, Smith at QB - draw direct up the middle, gains 3.
2nd and 7, PA, pass dropped by McClain that likely goes for a first. UGH.
3rd, underthrown for Mason. Mason slipped, and Flacco tried to make up for it - but couldn't.
Bad punt by Koch.
Fiesty Ravens Chic
10-26-2008, 12:25 PM
Troy is not big enough to be a RB but I trust Cam and his crazy idea.
I wish this O could just come out and light up the other D, whether its by rushing, passing, or both.....seems like we're always hurting ourselves?!?
Sephy
10-26-2008, 12:28 PM
1st, Fargas for 2.
2nd and 8, give to Fargas, who is nailed by Douglas to lose 3. LOL.
3rd and 11, give to Fargas for 3. LOL they aren't even trying.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 12:32 PM
1st from the 26, fake pitch, FB give to McClain to the 41! 14-15 yards. Nice.
highwater
10-26-2008, 12:32 PM
The Raiders offense looks pitiful.
The Raiders offense looks pitiful.
Raiders or Ravens? ;)
Sephy
10-26-2008, 12:34 PM
1st, Willis runs into a crowd, gets 1 or 2.
2nd and 8, complete to Mason for 3.
3rd and 5, Ravens take a TO, they can't get into formation.
McGahee pussed out on that play!!
Sephy
10-26-2008, 12:35 PM
Flacco overthrows a wide open Willis. He was running a seam route. Still could have been possibly caught but Willis didn't extend for it at all.
Raveninwoodlawn
10-26-2008, 12:36 PM
Oh what I would give to actually have a passing game.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 12:37 PM
1st from the 3, complete to Stewart, but Ray lays the hammer. Gain of 5.
2nd and 5, Fargas for - maybe 2.
3rd and 3, give to Bush, and Suggs wraps it up for no gain. Raiders are seriously not trying.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 12:38 PM
Leonhard takes it to the Oakland 18!!! NO FLAGS!!!
Fiesty Ravens Chic
10-26-2008, 12:39 PM
Willis is looking really slow today!
Flacco AND Smith? On the same play?
Fiesty Ravens Chic
10-26-2008, 12:40 PM
Flacco AND Smith?
Can't complain when we try something new!:ww:
Sephy
10-26-2008, 12:40 PM
1st, Willis goes left, tries to bounce all the way outside and can't, has to come back inside and gets 1. Willis trying to improv poorly.
2nd and 9, Troy in, fake handoff and keeper, gains 8. Same formation as before.
3rd and 1, Willis for 3 or 4, and first and goal!
1st and GOAL!!! Lets get a TD!!!!
Can't complain when we try something new!:ww:
I agree....just surprising thats all.....
highwater
10-26-2008, 12:42 PM
Suggs has had a bad week running his mouth, but he has played great in the first quarter.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 12:44 PM
1st and goal from the 4, Ngata in on offense, they run behind him, Willis gets to the half yard line.
2nd and goal, behind Ngata again - TD RAVENS! WILLIS!
Way to use Haloti :)
Sephy
10-26-2008, 12:45 PM
9-0 Ravens. Love the craziness of Cam today. Is this a precursor to a Ngata TD catch?
Fiesty Ravens Chic
10-26-2008, 12:47 PM
I think Cam has figured out that we need CHANGE on the O and he has came up with some crazy ideas and they seem to be working!!
Plus our D looks GREAT today! After Suggs ran his mouth all week he came out and delivered! Which I am glad to see because had he done nothing all day it would have made it worse!
Sephy
10-26-2008, 12:48 PM
Better kick for Stover, Higgins nailed at the 19.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 12:49 PM
1st, Russel throws it at a man's feet, and they get called for illegal man downfield anyway. Declined.
I think Cam has figured out that we need CHANGE on the O and he has came up with some crazy ideas and they seem to be working!!
Plus our D looks GREAT today! After Suggs ran his mouth all week he came out and delivered! Which I am glad to see because had he done nothing all day it would have made it worse!
Remember folks, it the RAIDERS! Lets save it for the Giants and see how he does then.......
Sephy
10-26-2008, 12:50 PM
2nd and 10, Russel completes to Walker, gain of 15. No pressure that time.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 12:51 PM
1st from the 35, complete to the uncovered Bush, gain of 8. No one was near him out of the backfield.
2nd and 2, give to Fargas, no gain.
3rd and 1.5, Griffith just gets the first.
highwater
10-26-2008, 12:52 PM
The Raiders have finally figured out that they can't run against us, so now they are going to go pass-happy.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 12:52 PM
1st, LOL, deep ball perfectly thrown to Walker, picked off. Ravens ball.
Frank Walker with an INT, are you kidding me?
Fiesty Ravens Chic
10-26-2008, 12:54 PM
Frank Walker with an INT, are you kidding me?
:rolling: That is what I thought! Walker is the ONLY player I would punch in the mouth on our team hahaha I honestly can not stand him!:girlfight
False starts? come on guys!!!
This would be a great time for a playaction...
edit: Wilcots said the same thing...
Sephy
10-26-2008, 12:57 PM
Ravens start at the 2. False start too, on Gaither.
1st from the 1, Jesus, another false start on the entire backfield.
1st and 11.5, give to LeRon for 3.
2nd and 8.5, Willis gets across the 10 for a gain of 6.
3rd and 1, Willis for 2 and a first. Bailed out by the run game.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 12:59 PM
1st, PA, complete to McClain, gains 1.
2nd and 9, very poor throw on the slant, thrown more at Hall than Mason. Luckily no pick, but that woulda been real tough to pick. Hall jammed him well - Flacco should have not made that throw.
3rd, give to Ray Rice who gets 9 and a first. Wow!
See, thats why jamming at the line of scrimmage works on timing routes. God forbid we EVER jam Indy's WR's....
Try to throw it inbounds Joe....
Sephy
10-26-2008, 01:01 PM
Hearts, Ray Rice!
1st from the 25, Rice for 4.5-5. He really hits the hole quickly.
2nd and 5, PA, deep and thrown OOB for Mason. Wasn't open - can't tell if he wanted to throw it out or just go for the outside shoulder.
3rd and 5, Flacco finds a ..WIDE OPEN D WILL, 70 YARD TOUCHDOWN!!!!!
DWill for a 70yd TD!!!!!!
Lee Van Cleef
10-26-2008, 01:02 PM
Yessssssssssssssssss!
TTRaven
10-26-2008, 01:02 PM
TD Ravens!
Sephy
10-26-2008, 01:02 PM
Raiders zone defense totally broke down. D-Will found a spot where no one was, and Joe hit him perfectly, and he wasn't gonna be caught. Finally the big pass play! And a fat 16-0 lead!
WOOO!!!
Fiesty Ravens Chic
10-26-2008, 01:02 PM
That a boy JOE!!
Way to stay poised in the pocket Flack, and AWESOME job holding that pocket O-Line!!!
Sephy
10-26-2008, 01:05 PM
hahahaha Higgins caught the KO and then just ran out of bounds at the 2. LOL Raiders.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 01:07 PM
1st, Fargas for 1.
2nd and 9, Fargas for 1 again.
3rd and 8, complete to #81, but 1-2 yards short of the first.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 01:08 PM
Leonhard past midfield, but there was an early flag. Holding.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 01:11 PM
Ravens start at their 21.
1st, Willis for 3-4 or so.
2nd and 6, Flacco floats it for Mason and complete for a big gain! But HOLDING ON CHESTER. DAGGER.
Awesome catch by Mason, but a HOLDING!! Dammit!!!
Sephy
10-26-2008, 01:13 PM
Brilliant throw and catch though. Placed perfectly and a great catch.
2nd and 16, give to Willis for 4. Lots of movement on offense for a little run.
3rd and 12, dump to Ray Rice who makes his initial man miss and goes for 13! LOVE THIS KID. LOVE HIM!
Ray Rice breaking ankles!!!
Sephy
10-26-2008, 01:14 PM
1st, Willis for 3 or 4 again.
2nd and 6, Troy formatiuon again, give to Ray for 8. 2 minute warning, and we're almost at midfield. Love the confusion of that formation, and Rice is dominating.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 01:17 PM
1st from the 44, Troy in, runs the FREAKING OPTION, gets it to Rice and goes for like 20 yards. Holy crap!
Sephy
10-26-2008, 01:18 PM
1st from the 35, give to Rice for 12 or 13. Holy shit. Rice is DESTROYING the Raiders!
Mark Clayton made a good play knocking down the INT!!!
Sephy
10-26-2008, 01:20 PM
1st, Willis for 2. Useless compared to Rice and McClain.
2nd and 8, deep to the EZ for Clayton, almost picked by Hall but Clayton breaks it up.
3rd, dump to Willis for 2. Dude has no speed, and no elusiveness. If that's Rice, he gets a TD. McGahee is useless right now. Ravens gonna run the clock down.
Cam is pissed at Willis.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 01:21 PM
38 yarder for Stover is perfect. 19-0 Ravens.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 01:23 PM
Bush gets little, and we go in up 19-0 at the half.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 01:39 PM
1st from the 20, give to McClain for 2.
2nd and 8, Willis for no gain. USELESS.
3rd and 8, Flacco looks, sees a good lane, goes for 13-14 and a first.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 01:41 PM
1st, reverse to Clayton, gains 2 or 3.
2nd and 8, Troy formation, give to Rice for 3.
3rd and 5, throws too far outside for D-Will. Asomugha was blanketing him.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 01:42 PM
Another poor punt by Koch to the 30.
That was a helluva a throw by Jamarcus Russell
Sephy
10-26-2008, 01:45 PM
1st, Russel's pass shoulda been picked off by Ray. Didn't even see him.
2nd and 10, no pressure on Russel, and goes deep and complete to #81 who beat Washington. Down into the redzone with the saving tackle by Leonhard. Not good ball skills by Fabian, he was there with him.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 01:47 PM
1st and goal, Fargas mauled by a defender as he thought he was going into the EZ.
2nd and goal from the 4, Russel rolls, throws out of the back of the endzone.
3rd, ball thrown too far outside for 87. Incomplete.
4th and goal and going for 3....good job D!!
Sephy
10-26-2008, 01:47 PM
Good job staying tough by the defense. 19-3.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 01:50 PM
Rice to the 27-28.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 01:51 PM
1st, give to Willis for 8. Much better.
2nd and 2, McClain for 2.5 and a first.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 01:52 PM
1st, from the 37, McGahee with a huge hole and down to the Raiders 40. Holding on Gaither. Ugh.
Too bad on that hold...that was a good run by McGahee...
Sephy
10-26-2008, 01:54 PM
1st and 20, Willis for 3-4.
2nd and 17, screen to Willis who is stopped in the backfield for a 4 yard loss. The defender beat Grubbs.
3rd and 21, holy shit RAY RICE GETS 25!!! WHAT A MAN!!
Ray Rice is having an AWESOME game!!!
Sephy
10-26-2008, 01:55 PM
Ray Rice is a total pimp. Someone took a TO.
I just love the fact that we aren't complaining about missed passes like we did with Boller. I honestly don't think he could have made that "out" pass to Rice for the 1st down.....
Lee Van Cleef
10-26-2008, 01:58 PM
Y'know, I'm liking that we're moving the ball and Rice is playing possessed. But what the hell is this mess all about? We're kiling ourselves with dumb penalties, so those awesome plays that are being made are having to dig us out of big holes instead of getting us points. It's infuriating. No wonder we have the biggest TOP in the league, we're getting so many penalties our drives are three or four plays longer than they need to be.
That was one of the best plays I've ever seen from the Ravens!!!!!
Sephy
10-26-2008, 01:58 PM
1st, Rice for 2.
2nd and 8, HOLY SHIT. Someone took the snap, gave to Troy, and he completes it to the 5 TO FLACCO!!!!
RavenScallywag
10-26-2008, 01:59 PM
are we having fun yet....Smith to FLACCO!
Lee Van Cleef
10-26-2008, 01:59 PM
Flacccooooooooooooooo!
Fiesty Ravens Chic
10-26-2008, 02:00 PM
WOW!!! That was some crazy stuff right there! Flacco for the catch? I am LOVING Cam's mind set today!
WTF play was that after the penalty!!
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:01 PM
1st and goal, Willis gets to the 3.
2nd and goal, Willis into the endzone. Flag down. Holding. Chester again.
2nd and goal from the 12, McGahee loses 1. Another flag. Illegal formation.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:02 PM
3rd and goal from the 12, complete to Rice for 2. Such a waste of a chance. If Flacco coulda stayed on his goofy ass feet he'd have a TD.
Stover is true. 22-3.
3rd and goal from the 12, complete to Rice for 2. Such a waste of a chance. If Flacco coulda stayed on his goofy ass feet he'd have a TD.
Stover is true. 22-3.
What do you expect? I'm just impressed he caught it!!! :happyanim
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:07 PM
1st from the 30, Russel completes to Miller at the Ravens 40. Kid has a gun.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:09 PM
1st, from the 38, overthrown for Miller.
2nd, complete to Schilens for 9.
3rd and 1, Russel just chucks it up and somehow Miller gets it. How do you not defend that. Washington sucks in the air.
Why is our D backing off and rushing 3 and 4 guys?
That was a great tackle by Ray Ray!!
edit: it did look like it broke the line.....
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:11 PM
1st from the 4, Bush for 2.
2nd and goal, PA, complete to Griffith, and he is upended by Ray at the 1. Really phenomenal play. I think on replay he got in. Oakland will challenge this, I'm assuming.
Lee Van Cleef
10-26-2008, 02:12 PM
Penalties really screwing this up.
I hate to say it but its the correct call IMO....
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:15 PM
Really tough call. Its so close. You can't overturn this by RULE, but we know how that goes on replays. Here's the call.
They call it a TD. Bad call, IMO. It is way too close to tell.
22-10.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:16 PM
Was it a TD? Maybe. Probably. Could you tell DEFINITELY from that replay? Absolutely not. Should be 3rd down.
highwater
10-26-2008, 02:16 PM
Sheesh, I can't stand Jeff Triplett.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:16 PM
Rice to the 28.
Lee Van Cleef
10-26-2008, 02:16 PM
This is way too close now. Need to cut out the dumb offensive penalties.
Really tough call. Its so close. You can't overturn this by RULE, but we know how that goes on replays. Here's the call.
They call it a TD. Bad call, IMO. It is way too close to tell.
22-10.
The camera is placed on the INSIDE of the goal line, thats why it looks like it didn't cross the plane....doesn't matter at this point anyway....
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:21 PM
1st, PA, complete to Wilcox for 9.
2nd and 1, McClain gets a half yard.
3rd and inches, McGahee for 2 and a first.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:23 PM
1st, McClain for 3.
2nd and 7, roll right, complete to Heap for 10 and a first. Easy pitch and catch.
Good throw and catch to Heap! Boller could never make that pass effectively....
Good play on their D, that had 7 written all over it!!
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:25 PM
1st from the Oak 47, Willis for maybe 1.
2nd and 9, Rice for 2.
3rd and 7, pass for Mason knocked away by Routt. Needed to be thrown a little farther.
Koch with finally a good one, gets stopped at the 12.
Lee Van Cleef
10-26-2008, 02:26 PM
Let the dogs off the leash, take Russell down.
Good coverage by Scott...
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:30 PM
1st, Russel overthrows Miller slightly. Ravens need to either pressure or cover well. The run gets nothing, they are doing well in the passing game.
2nd, Bush for 1.
3rd and 9, Higgins stopped after 7 yards.
Punt goes out at the 39.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:33 PM
1st, Willis for 3.
2nd and 7, Willis fumbles and the Raiders get it. FUCK YOU MCGAHEE YOU SUCK
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:34 PM
1st, from the 43, Russel scrambles for 12 and a first.
Lee Van Cleef
10-26-2008, 02:35 PM
Should've taken McGahee out of this game. He's clearly not fully fit and Rice has been firing.
Ahh well, hindsight and all that crap.
I swear this team drives me nuts......HOLD THE DAMN BALL!!!
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:37 PM
1st from the 30, Bush for 1 or 2.
2nd and 8, PA, can't quite get to the QB, incomplete for his man.
3rd, delay of game.
3rd and 13, blitz comes, and SWARMED by Ravens. Ngata grabs the sack!
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:38 PM
McGahee hasn't done a single fucking thing all year. His 100 yards last game were products of huge holes to a tired Fins D. He needs to be benched - he is by far the worst RB on this team.
4th and 21, Raiders have to go for it, but take a TO.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:40 PM
4th and 21, Russel throws it about 20 yards out of bounds. LOL.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:43 PM
Ravens get it at the 41.
1st, Flacco PERFECTLY places it for Heap, and he drops it. Fucking useless that guy. Flacco has thrown some pretty balls today.
2nd, Rice powers forward for 4.
3rd and 6, complete to Wilcox, but 2 yards shy of the first.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:44 PM
Punt is a touchback. Arguably you could have gone for it there and kept the clock moving.
Punt just a little too far....
Punt is a touchback. Arguably you could have gone for it there and kept the clock moving.
I was gonna mention that....if you can't get 1+ yds, you should punt! ;)
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:48 PM
1st, about 5 minutes left, Russell smacked as he throws, and the ball flies up in the air, Ray and Washington were in position but the Oakland WR had to much time since the ball really floated. Incomplete.
2nd, Russell absolutely smacked as he throws incomplete.
3rd and 10, Russell incomplete for Lelie, who is hurt. Apparently not catching the ball is painful.
4th and 10, SACKED at the 10 by JJ! Turnover!
Wow....collapse that pocket!!!
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:49 PM
1st and goal Ravens inside the 10, McGahee loses 2. Get his out of shape useless ass out of this game. I'm so fucking irritated with him.
McGahee is SLOOOOOOOOW, put in Rice and McClain and RUN DOWN THE CLOCK!!
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:50 PM
2nd and goal from the 12, Willis gets 4.
TO Raiders.
Lee Van Cleef
10-26-2008, 02:51 PM
Score a TD. Score a damn TD. Just put them and us out of our misery.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:51 PM
3rd and goal from the 8, complete to Rice, TOUCHDOWN RAVENS!
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:52 PM
OMG, ineligible downfield on Gaither. He has some killer penalties today. How did he get downfield on a quick out?
Can we stop having stupid flags negating TD's?
Lee Van Cleef
10-26-2008, 02:52 PM
Screw you Gaither.
Screw you.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:53 PM
Flacco keeper all the way, NOW TOUCHDOWN RAVENS! KID HAS HEART, SON!
I absolutely LOVE Joe Flacco!!!! TD!!!
Lee Van Cleef
10-26-2008, 02:54 PM
Wahoo!
Just imagine if he'd taken that catch to the house, rushing, receiving and passing TD in one game.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:54 PM
Honestly, this kid is gonna be the truth when he gets some more experience under his belt. Zero mistakes again today, and he's a few drops away from a 200+ yard game again.
Fix the OL penalties this week, and bench Willis McGahee's ass - this team can make some noise.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:55 PM
1st, TO Ravens.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:56 PM
1st, complete to Walker for a first.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 02:58 PM
Not quite 2 TDs trap. One was gotten back by the rook.
1st, ball thrown way away from everyone. Route mixup, looked like.
2nd, Russell hits Lelie to the Ravens 35.
1st, complete to Walker for a first.
That was a good pass by Russell....he's got a cannon!
Sephy
10-26-2008, 03:00 PM
1st, under 3 left, pass batted down.
2nd, blitz comes, and is underthrown for Walker.
3rd, complete to Curry, gets about 7.
4th and 3, complete to Higgins to the 20. First. 2 minute warning.
Good hands Washington....
Sephy
10-26-2008, 03:05 PM
1st, Russell evades 2-3 sacking Ravens, gets 5 on the completion.
2nd and 5, incomplete for Walker. Reed had that read all the way. Almost jumped it for 6.
3rd and 5, AGAIN jumped by Washington this time, and he dropped it. Would have WALKED to the endzone for 6. Walked.
4th and 5, Reed just destroyed Curry. Incomplete.
Lee Van Cleef
10-26-2008, 03:05 PM
Can't the secondary catch today? Heh.
Oh well. Just close this ugly game out.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 03:06 PM
Kneeldown time. We go to 4-3 with some very winnable road games coming up.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 03:07 PM
Haha, Rex just got a gatorade bath.
Other than the penalties, the O-line played really good. They maintaining a good pocket for Joe to throw from today.
Sephy
10-26-2008, 03:16 PM
It was, but Flacco got that last one back.
RavenScallywag
10-26-2008, 03:43 PM
I don't want to jump on anyone today, but the irony with JO inducted into the ROH, with Gaither getting penalized all over the place, is just too depressing. Gaither was the ineligible downfield that caused the Rice TD to get negated. I think he'll be a great LT one day, but we can see how much JO is missed, with Gaither LITERALLY costing us points today